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SUCHANEK: Alright, this is Jeff Suchanek, I am interviewing Mr. William B. Keightley again for the Charles T. Wethington Alumni Faculty Oral History Project. The date is June 6, 2006. It's a little after 9:00 in the morning and we're in Mr. Keightley's office in Memorial Coliseum.

SUCHANEK: Morning sir.

KEIGHTLEY: Good morning sir.

SUCHANEK: The last time we, we were talking about some of the players and I think we left off about the 73-74 season and I don't think we talked about Kevin Grevey yet. What can you tell me about Kevin Grevey? (phone rings- SUCHANEK -and we're immediately...SUCHANEK laughs) Ok, Kevin Grevey from Hamilton, Ohio?

KEIGHTLEY: Kevin Grevey, that exactly right, Hamilton, Ohio. You know he, he naturally was a great player. He was widely sought after by every major college in the 1:00country and we had a recruiter by the name of Jim, Jim Hatfield and of course Joe was an excellent recruiter, Joe Hall, but since we were reasonably close to Hamilton you know an hour and a half away that, that was a deciding factor to come to Kentucky and of course we all were well served by Kevin being a member of our, of our team. See when he came here the freshmen were not eligible but we had a real real great freshmen team. We were top ranked team, freshmen team in America and...

SUCHANEK: What kind of games did the freshmen team play?

KEIGHTLEY: Well they played the, see at that point in time you had junior 2:00colleges in the state you know Campbellsville, Cumberland, all those at Lindsey Wilson,

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: They, they were all JUCO's and we all you know schedule those plus you had freshmen teams from Cincinnati, Xavier and Tennessee and Vandy. All of 'em that you know were within driving distance. That's, that's who you played plus the dental school over here used to have a real good basketball team.

SUCHANEK: The dental school?

KEIGHTLEY: The dental school yes sir. Dr. Ellinger was on the faculty over there at the dental school and he was a big supporter of ours and of course you know they they were much older naturally about four or five years older but they was they 3:00really had some nice players and we'd play them two or three times a year. But that, that was, was really a great freshmen team. You had Guyette at center, you had, you had Kevin at one forward, you had Mike Flynn and Jimmy Dan Conner at guard, you had G.J. Smith was a forward, and Jerry Hale who I talked about earlier was, was a member of that group also. SUCHANEK: What kind of attendance would those games get?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh you know we, we, we played of course here in the coliseum and we many many times the coliseum was filled for the freshmen games.

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SUCHANEK: Is that right.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, 11,500 people because this was such a great array of talent everybody wanted to see what the future was gonna look like so they, they would come to the freshmen games and then you know the students used to line up, they'd be lined up way up on Rose Street because it was first come first serve for students at that time. But yes we had great great attendance to the freshmen games.

SUCHANEK: When did, when did the, (phone rings - KEIGHTLEY - let's see If I can, go - SUCHANEK - alright - SUCHANEK laughs) was, was it a, was it a rule that that all teams had to have freshmen teams that they couldn't play until they were sophomores?

KEIGHTLEY: Well all, you know it wasn't a rule but all teams did have freshmen teams. Yeah, every, every, everyone had a freshmen team.

SUCHANEK: Now were there any freshmen on other, in, for other schools that 5:00actually played with the varsity?

KEIGHTLEY: No.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: No, they, they, they, NCAA see did not allow freshmen.

SUCHANEK: That's why I was asking if it was a rule, yeah.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah it...

SUCHANEK: When did that change?

KEIGHTLEY: That changed in 1974. Larry Johnson was the, was the first freshman to play in the modern era. Now back in in World War II the, they allowed freshmen to play.

SUCHANEK: Cause of a lack of players right? KEIGHTLEY: Yeah for the lack of players but then it settled back in after after the war they they didn't allow, I believe about 1946 or 47 you freshmen couldn't play varsity basketball. But, but 1974 Larry Johnson was the first freshmen and we of 6:00course we still had a freshmen team but of course as time went on it got pretty diluted. (SUCHANEK laughs) because you know nobody wanted to come to school if they couldn't...

SUCHANEK: Play on the varsity.

KEIGHTLEY: couldn't play on the varsity.

SUCHANEK: So, when did the freshmen team actually go out of existence?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh, we fumbled around with it till about oh about 1978, 79. You know you'd just use student body and it began to get...

SUCHANEK: Like intramurals almost (unintelligible-both men speaking).

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah that's right and it got, it got diluted and then we even then back when Rick first came here we had what we called a junior varsity (SUCHANEK laughs) and it, we had quite a, well we had Teddy, Nazr Mohammed played on the JV 7:00team when he was a a sophomore.

SUCHANEK: I remember that.

KEIGHTLEY: And, and Cameron Mills played on on the JV team.

SUCHANEK: Yeah that made a lot more work for you didn't it when there was a JV team?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yeah that I mean you know you get through varsity practice 5:30-6:00 and then you'd have that, you'd have that JV practice and then lots of times we would have a JV practice 6:00 in the morning of course I that one didn't bother me because I was always in the vicinity of this place at 6:00. (SUCHANEK laughs)

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: But...

SUCHANEK: And did you have to travel with the freshmen team?

KEIGHTLEY: What's that?

SUCHANEK: Did you have to travel with the freshmen team?

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, basically back in those years the freshmen team traveled by 8:00by car,

SUCHANEK: Not even by bus?

KEIGHTLEY: No by car.

SUCHANEK: Who drove?

KEIGHTLEY: Guys like myself and, and boosters like Cecil Dunn and, and Claude Vann who was a trainer and Carl Ratliff, just just people Ballard Bore used to be the tennis coach, he used to, he used to drive us some.

SUCHANEK: Of course that'd probably be a having boosters drive now would be a violation wouldn't it?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh it would be, couldn't do it see. That's how, that's how things have changed.

SUCHANEK: Let me ask you this Mr. Keightley, all this traveling that's got to be hard on, on your personal life. Traveling with the team during the winter and you know well what was your, you must have had an understanding wife?

KEIGHTLEY: Well you know actually to be in athletics yes. Anyone's in 9:00athletics regardless of the sport has to have the support of the family because you gonna be gone a lot more than you gonna be at home.

SUCHANEK: That's right; I mean you spent a lot of time here.

KEIGHTLEY: And you know, and right now here in the summer time the demands upon people associated with athletics is, I'm talking about public demands, I had like I'd stayed Friday night at Monticello, I went down there to speak to a about, I had about 300 people it was the city-county whatever they call 'em, they have some kind of a fanfare where the, you know all of the inhabitants of the county and the city get together and have a big shindig and they have a speaker and I stayed there and 10:00then I came back, I was gone all day Saturday because up at Harrisburg the Cattle Association was having a, a contest with people grilling and I'm talking about professional grillers now. They had to pay to enter a grilling team you know steaks and hamburgers...

SUCHANEK: barbecue...

KEIGHTLEY: you barbecue and I was a judge up there for that thing.

SUCHANEK: Boy that was tough duty wasn't it? KEIGHTLEY: It, it was tough. (SUCHANEK laughs) I could tell you this, they lets see I was on the brisket team and believe me I, I actually didn't want any meat for two days (SUCHANEK laughs) and I'm a meat lover, I'm a meat lover.

SUCHANEK: Was some of it pretty good?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh, it was all excellent but you know, you know of course I can 11:00tell you there is a decided advantage in this business, they, they number those, they number those boxes see, they put them in a styro, styrofoam box and they...

SUCHANEK: I'll guess if you're, if you're at the beginning you're, you're more likely to win.

KEIGHTLEY: I was hungry man I was starved, 1P won that was the first one. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) I don't know if it was any better than the others but it sure tasted better. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

SUCHANEK: Yeah you get to about that tenth one you know and... (SUCHANEK laughs)

KEIGHTLEY: You know the bites get smaller and smaller. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) They graded on presentation and about you know the whether it's too brown or not brown enough. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

SUCHANEK: And all you care about is how's it taste. (SUCHANEK laughs)

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KEIGHTLEY: They, they, you know what it didn't take me long, I had a you know I had a paper about this size had all these categories shoot just get through eating just start checking whatever (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) because the ballets didn't have any names on 'em so I just got three. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

SUCHANEK: They couldn't nail you later.

KEIGHTLEY: No, they couldn't nail me. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

SUCHANEK: Oh yeah, that's tough duty in the summer. How many, how many public appearances do you make in a year?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh, wow, I'd say I'll make 50 planned and then a lot of you know just extemporaneous. I mean I'll go somewhere maybe to some event and then they'll 13:00ask me...

SUCHANEK: they'll find you...to say a few words

KEIGHTLEY: to say a few words. (SUCHANEK laughs) That's right, I'll be, we, well even in, in this building like we had a farewell get together for a young lady that was leaving. I normally go up get a piece of cake and leave, well as soon as I walked in I had to, and you know

SUCHANEK: say a few words

KEIGHTLEY: I hadn't even thought about you know I got, gotta give 'em a few words (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

SUCHANEK: Having been in this business so long I'm sure you've got, you've got that down.

KEIGHTLEY: No, you can't, don't even, you know what you don't, you don't plan a speech. I just always if I mingle with the crowd a little bit before, before I'm gonna speak I kinda get a feel for the type crowd and then try to address it as the way I feel it and no you can't really prepare, prepare a speech. Now if your gonna do a 14:00motivational speech you don't, you don't need to be over prepared for that either, I mean about five good solid minutes of of motivational talk is enough.

SUCHANEK: That's right, that's about all people are going to pay attention to.

KEIGHTLEY: If you're your age or especially my age you've heard everything that everybody has got to say about motivation and if you can give 'em a good five minutes and then go on about your regular speaking.

SUCHANEK: Right. (SUCHANEK laughs) Give a few antidotes and...

KEIGHTLEY: Yes... (KEIGHTLEY laughs)

SUCHANEK: Of, of all the UK coaches that you've been associated with who was the best motivational speaker? Was that, would that be Pitino?

KEIGHTLEY: Rick is a tremendous motivational speaker. That's, you know 15:00that's a big part of his livelihood is speaking because he's not bashful about his fee. (SUCHANEK laughs)

SUCHANEK: Yeah.

KEIGHTLEY: And you know when he was here...

SUCHANEK: He probably makes almost as much doing that probably as he does coaching.

KEIGHTLEY: Oh he, he could, he, he, he, he could, he could quit coaching and probably make more money. His fee, of course coaching makes him in demand, you know.

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: But his fee when he was here east of the Mississippi River was $15,000 and anything west was $20,000. Now this were talking about this had been let's see, he left in '96 this been...

SUCHANEK: ten years ago

KEIGHTLEY: ten years ago and I am sure that his fee has...

SUCHANEK: not

KEIGHTLEY: has gone up.

SUCHANEK: Yeah I don't think he's taking less.

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KEIGHTLEY: no, no, he's not taking less, no. And I've, I've, you know I've traveled with him for some of his motivational speaking. He's tremendous; I mean he'd get me fired up. (SUCHANEK laughs)

SUCHANEK: And at our age that's that's pretty hard to do isn't it.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, but he does he you know he's a he's a great motivational speaker.

SUCHANEK: Who's, who's the, would he be the best coach that you've heard give motivational speeches inside the locker room?

KEIGHTLEY: In the locker room I don't know that, you know Coach Rupp, all, all of 'em, all of 'em have their strong points, Tubby's got strong points and they all had strong points in in motivating and...

SUCHANEK: What would be the differences if you could pinpoint differences amongst them?

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KEIGHTLEY: Well it, it's I guess it's the approach. Rick could get pretty much bent out of shape you know and and motivated out of fear and, and that, that's, that's a tough thing to do to motivate somebody you know that, that, that fears what he's saying that he's gonna do and but Rick is pretty good with that one, and Adolph was pretty good with that one also. But, you know Tubby motivates by being positive and you know like he'll say for instance, "Well fella's the first half is history I mean you can forget about it because we, we won't play that way again we just half we still got a half 18:00left", or as Rick would say you know that dang, use all kind of foul language talk about the first half and then say you'd better do this this half and but you know Tubby wouldn't do that.

SUCHANEK: Well that's real interesting because a lot of times you know since Tubby Smith has been here coaching on a nationally televised game when I don't know what it is but it seems like Tubby Smith's teams generally come out without much emotion in the first half and sometimes, most of the time they find themselves either not playing well in the first half or down at half time...

KEIGHTLEY: yeah

SUCHANEK: and when they come out and start playing better in the second half the commentators always say, "Boy he must have really blistered the paint off the wall of that locker room".

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah well, you know what that is the perception of, you know any time you play well a second half...

SUCHANEK: And that's just, so that's just...

KEIGHTLEY: that's just a perception.

SUCHANEK: So that, that's very interesting that you said that about his approach...

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah

SUCHANEK: that that's not, that's not how he approaches it.

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KEIGHTLEY: No, no, it's not how you approach it I mean the score board tells you how you played you know.

SUCHANEK: You don't need to... (SUCHANEK laughs)

KEIGHTLEY: You don't have to be reminded.

SUCHANEK: Yeah, yeah players know.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes

SUCHANEK: They, their, their aware of the score and they know I'm sure they know who's played well and who hadn't.

KEIGHTLEY: No it's, but anyhow as I say they all had their, had their strong points. Eddie, Eddie Sutton was very calm, he, he was not a, you know he wouldn't never really blister players; he'd always encourage 'em.

SUCHANEK: Your person, your personal viewpoint, what most, what, what, what approach works best do you think? KEIGHTLEY: Which approach?

SUCHANEK: Yeah the Pitino approach or...

KEIGHTLEY: I, I believe today calmer demeanor a calmer or a calm demeanor 20:00and today I think players need to feel more secure then say the the guys in the earlier years because society has changed. It used to be the players feared if they lost their scholarship they wouldn't be able to get a college education. Now that no longer exists today so you know you can't really browbeat kids today like, like you could in the earlier years but still I think kids today have to like their coach more then they did in the early years in order to get, you know like the old saying is, "you can catch more flies with 21:00sugar then anything else" and I, I think that, that today the kids are more spoiled but yet they need to be loved in order to get the most out of 'em. And I guess the, the, the calm approach really in my opinion today is the best way to go.

SUCHANEK: Who, and again I don't know if you, if you want a actually name players but I'll, I'll ask anyways who who was, who were some of the guys who, who just were were the least coachable as far as star players go? You know, the one that comes to my mind maybe is and I might be totally wrong but the perception was that 22:00Rodrick Rhodes was not very coachable.

KEIGHTLEY: Rodrick yes, Rodrick was difficult to have such an outgoing personality, most of the times the ones that's difficult to coach don't or you know their not an extravert their introvert and yeah Rod, Rodrick was one, and going way back you had a, one of my very best friends Linville Puckett who played with the 1954 undefeated team. He, he was, well I can't say he was difficult, he was a free spirit let's put it that way (SUCHANEK laughs) and that, that makes it difficult for a coach is a 23:00free spirit. And, and then you know even just this past year a fine young man, can not say one bad word about him, he's a character but he was just uncoachable is Rajon Rondo, he just couldn't listen on the court but he is a wonderful kid, was a good student, would never embarrass you by anything off the court but you know on the court he was, if he wasn't in the game he was always standing you know disinterested and, and he just he was difficult to coach and I'm sure its immaturity and I suspect now he'll, he'll grow out of that.

SUCHANEK: Well the NBA has a way of doing that.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes he'll grow out of it.

SUCHANEK: It's some...it'll it's a humbling game at that level.

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KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir it is but he you know he's, he's a great kid.

SUCHANEK: One thing I did want to ask you is who were some of the most outstanding players on the visiting teams that, that you ever saw? I, I'm thinking, we were talking about the early 70's and Pistol Pete Maravich comes to mind. KEIGHTLEY: Well you know yes Pistol Pete was a, was a tremendous scorer, he was not a tremendous shooter but he, he; you know he never saw a shot he didn't like. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) He was gonna take it. Yes he was a a tremendous scorer and there's been you know so so many of 'em in, in recent years like we played against Michael Jordan and going back to the earlier days in the, in the 25:0050's you had guys like well, Cliff Hagan and then you had, you had Bob Pettit played for LSU and there've been there's just been so many great players, Perry Wallace played for Vanderbilt.

SUCHANEK: Charles Barkley

KEIGHTLEY: Charles Barkley, yeah they just you know, you had big old kid at Alabama, what, I forget his first name; we called him Mule, Mule King. He was almost unstoppable, and it, it's just been so many great ones through, through the years. We've had, course we've had more than bout any school in the SEC.

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SUCHANEK: And I think that's my perception is that there have been so many great players here seems like when you have a super star at another school like LSU and they've had some great players come through but like Shaquille O'Neal they're so few and far between...

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah

SUCHANEK: that those people really stand out at those schools. (Someone talking in background-unintelligible)

KEIGHTLEY: Well you had Bernard King at Tennessee, you had Ernie Grunfeld at Tennessee, see they were, they were great players, Van the man.

SUCHANEK: Was there any one particular player that, that you all hated to play against when you saw that game coming up, like Shaquille or . . .

KEIGHTLEY: You know what Jeff you can almost pick one every game.

SUCHANEK: Ok. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

KEIGHTLEY: Almost every game we ever played there's one player in particular 27:00you know like right now Big Baby Davis at, at LSU. You know what he's gonna do and and yet he's a joy to watch play however.

SUCHANEK: Yeah.

KEIGHTLEY: Because...

SUCHANEK: He really enjoys himself.

KEIGHTLEY: He, he does and he's like, he's like Shaq, you know what he just plays the game, Shaq they'd beat on him push him you know he don't, he don't retaliate, show any emotion and Big Baby he doesn't either when he's playing. But there's always that one that you you'd think boy if we could get him outta there we gonna be in business. So you know now we'd say we go to Tennessee if we could get, if we could which we wouldn't get the kid from (unintelligible - SUCHANEK talking at the same time)

SUCHANEK: Lofton

KEIGHTLEY: That's right if we could get, get him out of the game we'd feel a lot better.

SUCHANEK: Yeah we kinda missed the boat on him didn't we?

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KEIGHTLEY: Yeah you know its unfortunate, at that time we had...

SUCHANEK: a lot of guards

KEIGHTLEY: nothing but guards really and I oh yes you know that that one will always bother me. I, everything being equal or no...don't have to be equal it can be just a just a notch below some great player somewhere else I want the kid from Kentucky...

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: because they'll make up for any shortcomings...

SUCHANEK: well just like...

KEIGHTLEY: because they grew up you know, there parents, grandparents, and everybody being big Kentucky fans and they gonna give you more

SUCHANEK: I mean that early 90's team "the unforgettables" were almost all Kentuckian kids.

KEIGHTLEY: because you know, no, yeah and like you know this last year we that don't even, couldn't find Kentucky on the map and...

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SUCHANEK: Why not, why don't the, the coaches recruit more from Kentucky, is there...?

KEIGHTLEY: Well unfortunately in the last few years you know you you , basketballs a game you got to have size and the state has not produced you know any great amount of 6'8-6'10" players. They, they just have not produced 'em.

SUCHANEK: But you know you look at that early 90's team with, you had Feldhaus starting he was what 6'6"-6'7"...

KEIGHTLEY: yeah

SUCHANEK: that team didn't have great size but they had great chemistry.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes they did, had great chemistry. Yeah it had, it, yeah it didn't have size at all.

SUCHANEK: Pelphrey he wasn't that tall.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah Pelphrey yeah, Sean Woods, they wasn't...

SUCHANEK: I mean I, I think heights, heights an advantage but unless you've got a, a team...

KEIGHTLEY: yeah

SUCHANEK: (unintelligible) you can't teach, that extra three inches doesn't make you a better team necessarily.

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KEIGHTLEY: The, the last well there's a couple of kids that were 6'8" or 6'9" I wish we had a looked at more is the kid that's playing for Xavier Cincin...in Cincinnati, Doleman he was from up in Northern Kentucky and then the another big kid from Northern Kentucky that went to LSU but he transferred to (SUCHANEK coughs) Vandy, his name escapes me right now but he's, he, he'll be, he'll be a thorn in our side this next year and I'll remember his name. (SUCHANEK laughs) I could tell you cause he always played pretty well against us when, when he was at LSU but now he 31:00left after his sophomore year and laid out a year so you know now he's bigger and stronger and smarter.

SUCHANEK: When a player does that how much difference does that make, I mean they practice with the team and, and I was thinking in particular like last year when Randolph Morris had to, to sit out those first fourteen or sixteen games...

KEIGHTLEY: yeah

SUCHANEK: and he's practicing with the team, how, how does that help that player?

KEIGHTLEY: Well it's a...

SUCHANEK: Especially when you have a transfer and they have to sit out a year.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah well if you sit out a year you know, you know that you're not gonna play and then you, the ones that's really dedicated they work harder in the weight room...

SUCHANEK: The one that comes to mind is Heshimu Evans...

KEIGHTLEY: yeah

SUCHANEK: and he had to sit out a year.

KEIGHTLEY: yeah, that's right yes, and I'll tell you we had one that we red shirted one time because we had so many, so many guards when Rick was here was 32:00Jeff Sheppard.

SUCHANEK: right

KEIGHTLEY: He, he laid out a year here.

SUCHANEK: He was one of my favorite players.

KEIGHTLEY: You know what not only is he a favorite player he's a favorite human being, he may be the most letter perfect athlete I've ever seen, still is now, now I mean he is incredible.

SUCHANEK: I remember he sprained his ankle during the tournament...

KEIGHTLEY: Oh

SUCHANEK: something awful and, and he basically carried that team.

KEIGHTLEY: He did and was (unintelligible) named MVP of the tournament. He laid in that, that training room with his foot up on the wall 24 hours a day and he didn't, two days he never left the training room because he really wanted to play.

SUCHANEK: Yeah I think he had a little bit of a pro career didn't he?

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KEIGHTLEY: Yes he, you know what...

SUCHANEK: The Hawks I think.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah, and now he was a kid like a question you asked me earlier about the traveling and so forth, being away from your family. I guess Jeff, Jeff could have made it if he'd, if he'd a hung with it but he is so family oriented and he married a little girl you know that played basketball here, Stacey Reed, and they're just like two pees in a pod both of them are exactly alike as people and, and Jeff just did not like to be away from Stacey and of course they got, they got two kids and hey no 34:00way Jeff would be gone a, a night now. He just, he just wouldn't do it. He just, but a, yep he's one of a kind.

SUCHANEK: Well getting back to your, your speaking engagements and your being away from home when, when your doing these speaking engagements you, you know I guess you feel like your representing the UK basketball team right.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, well (clears voice) now that's the primary reason that they ask me, yeah I know that but the other side of it is Jeff I, I feel like I feel obligated. You know if somebody really wants you to do something, if the people really want you you know its just time so why not share it with 'em and I always feel you know I, I dread lots of times having to go you know but after I get through I have a feeling of satisfaction 35:00because I know I've pleased some people just by being there and you know most of these people when it comes to UK sports are so giving, they, they, you know they send little ole gifts in here all the time and you know nothing of any monetary value really but you know but they're so appreciative and it gives you a feeling of self-satisfaction.

SUCHANEK: That's a lot of pressure for somebody like you to carry though because you know Kentucky basketball is such a big thing in this state, it's so important to so many people because you know Kentucky as a poor state doesn't have a lot going for it.

KEIGHTLEY: I, see, I agree with that l00% and that's why I you know basketball is so big and everybody wants to feel like they're part of something that's successful 36:00and Kentucky basketball has given 'em this, this feeling of satisfaction you know bout the only other thing we have maybe's the Kentucky Derby.

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: Or you get, you say New York you got everything and but here it, it's just basketball especially Eastern Kentucky.

SUCHANEK: And I think the fact that basketball happens in the winter time, the most bleak season...

KEIGHTLEY: Yes

SUCHANEK: and, and Kentucky has been so good it brings joy to people's lives during that bleak season.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes I, I agree and now I, fact I use that in, in speaking a lot...

SUCHANEK: Do you?

KEIGHTLEY: that, yes, that you know the fans are the ones that make us what we are, they, they make us work harder because you don't want to disappoint 'em and 37:00if you lose you have disappointed 'em and you really you don't want to do that so they do have, I, I tell 'em they, they make us work harder.

SUCHANEK: Let's go on to the, this will be the 74-75 team and you mentioned Larry Johnson from Morganfield...

KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir.

SUCHANEK: what can you tell me about Larry Johnson?

KEIGHTLEY: Well Larry, you know he was one of the early African American stars that we had and he...

SUCHANEK: Well I noticed he...

KEIGHTLEY: again, again Jeff I don't want to over emphasize how many great kids we've had but Larry Johnson was one of the nicest kids you ever, did not know anything but yes sir and no sir and was always happy. He was reared by his 38:00grandmother.

SUCHANEK: (Some one at door) You can come in.

KEIGHTLEY-yeah, ok, they have to raise, KET has to raise quite a bit of money to stay on the air.

SUCHANEK: right

KEIGHTLEY: And they provide such a great public service and that's another one I feel obligated to because they bring me pleasure, all it cost me is my TV and I feel obligated, but anyhow we gonna have a, out at Don and Myra's farm, that's Don...

SUCHANEK: Yeah Don Ball

KEIGHTLEY: yeah, and Myra, they're having a, they're having a fundraiser and they're gonna have a dance contest

SUCHANEK: Are you a judge?

KEIGHTLEY: And I'm a judge (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) I'm a judge-

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SUCHANEK: Now do you feel qualified for that?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh yes I'm qualified. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

SUCHANEK: This isn't the first dance contest you've judged is it?

KEIGHTLEY: You know I'm gonna tell you what yes this be the first one of those and I'll tell you what...

SUCHANEK: See you hang around long enough and everything happens.

KEIGHTLEY: I'm gonna tell you one you don't want to judge is a beauty contest. (SUCHANEK laughs)

SUCHANEK: Or a baby contest.

KEIGHTLEY: Dear God oh mighty, you talk about hey these parents get upset. (SUCHANEK laughs)

SUCHANEK: There, that's a no win situation isn't it.

KEIGHTLEY: It is yes.

SUCHANEK: You make one person happy, one family happy and...

KEIGHTLEY: Get one happy and the whole bunch of 'em happy, that's the best you can do going on. (SUCHANEK laughs) I know and your only gonna make one person happy so nope I, I can't do that anymore. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

SUCHANEK: I was gonna say the next best worst thing would be a baby judging contest. (SUCHANEK laughs)

KEIGHTLEY: Oh, oh, that that's out. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laughing while KEIGHTLEY talks) Yes.

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SUCHANEK: Oh lord.

KEIGHTLEY: Now I might I might ah, test a dog show. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) At least a dog wouldn't be mad.

SUCHANEK: Oh, you know this job just covers a lot of things doesn't it?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh, yes, yes it's, it's as, as, who do I know, Mike Snyder used to say, "There's no beginning to my talent." (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

SUCHANEK: I gotta write that one down. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

KEIGHTLEY: Yes.

SUCHANEK: Ok you're talking about Larry Johnson.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes Larry, as I stated earlier he came in here as a freshman and Joe Hall of course was coaching at that time, no, yes, yes...

SUCHANEK: Yes

KEIGHTLEY: Joe was coaching...

SUCHANEK: Right

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KEIGHTLEY: at that time and in December Joe moved him from the freshmen team to the varsity and of course Larry was one of the best guards in the SEC for the three years he was here and what I was really proud of...

SUCHANEK: Did he go to the ABA?

KEIGHTLEY: No sir he went, he, he went right from here to Japan, he played in Japan for oh I don't know 11 or 12 years and married the daughter of a vice president of oh one of the big companies over there that made TV's, electronic products. He married the vice presidents daughter...

SUCHANEK: Wow.

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KEIGHTLEY: and he stayed in Japan even after he quit playing basketball. He, he worked at, at the company and he stayed in Japan, oh for I don't know for 4 or 5 years after he quit playing basketball and he speaks fluent Japanese.

SUCHANEK: Where's he now?

KEIGHTLEY: He's, he's, he's living back here. He is working at, I believe he's working at Toyota now.

SUCHANEK: Oh really, in, in the office as an administrator or?

KEIGHTLEY: You know that part I, I doubt that Jeff, I doubt that.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: But I believe he is working at Toyota.

SUCHANEK: He lives in Lexington do you know?

KEIGHTLEY: Yes he, I, you know what I hardly ever see him but he's, he's the same today as he was the first time I ever saw him. He just, he just shakes his head 43:00up and down yes sir, yes sir, yes sir I (unintelligible) really is, I am, I's glad I'm seeing you, oh I, just tickles me to death Mr. KEIGHTLEY I,I, I'm just, oh I'm so happy (KEIGHTLEY laughs) and that's the way he is all the time. SUCHANEK: He was a pretty good player?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh he was a fine player, so quick.

SUCHANEK: Why did he leave after three years?

KEIGHTLEY: Well he'd, he, he, he, he graduated.

SUCHANEK: Oh he graduated?

KEIGHTLEY: You see he was a...

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: no he just played...

SUCHANEK: varsity for three years

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah

SUCHANEK: Alright. How bout Joey Holland?

KEIGHTLEY: Joey Holland? He was (unintelligible), he was the son of Joe Holland who played with members of the "fabulous five", he was from Benton, 44:00Kentucky and he, after Joe graduated from here he went into business, bought a Chevrolet dealership in West Virginia, believe, believe its Morgantown and, and Joey his son was a, was a decent high school player so you know we brought him in here on scholarship and Joey he never did play much varsity ball but he, he did quite well academically and of course after he graduated from here he, he went in business, his dad put him in business with him and that's what, what Joey's doing today, still in the automotive business.

SUCHANEK: In West Virginia?

KEIGHTLEY: In West Virginia.

SUCHANEK: How about Merion Haskins?

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KEIGHTLEY: Merion Haskins, yeah he's from Campbellsville. Merion of course is a younger brother of one of the all time great basketball players this state produced.

SUCHANEK: Clem KEIGHTLEY: Clem, he's a brother and he came to UK and majored in agriculture and was a good student, was a, was a decent basketball player, he, he...

SUCHANEK: But not like Clem? Not as good as Clem?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh no, no, no. Marion came off the bench for us and you know he contributed but he was an outstanding student and upon graduation the Brown- Williamson was looking for an African American and they...

SUCHANEK: The tobacco company?

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KEIGHTLEY: Yes, tobacco company and they checked with the AG department to see what, what they had to offer and of course Clem had just graduated and they interviewed Clem and hired him right straight out of college and Clem is still with 'em.

SUCHANEK: You mean Merion?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh yeah I said, yep, yep Merion...

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: yeah, yeah, yeah Merion.

SUCHANEK: Where's he living, is he in Louisville or...?

KEIGHTLEY: Merion?

SUCHANEK: Or was he in North Carolina?

KEIGHTLEY: No, no he, he lived in North Carolina and he's lived in Virginia, lived in Richmond, Virginia.

SUCHANEK: Where is he now?

KEIGHTLEY: I, I think now he is living maybe back in Louisville I believe...

SUCHANEK: Ok.

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KEIGHTLEY: at this time but he spends oh several months every year overseas...

SUCHANEK: Oh.

KEIGHTLEY: buying tobacco.

SUCHANEK: Oh he's a buyer?

KEIGHTLEY: You know we import the heck out of tobacco now.

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: And, yes he spent, he spends four or five months a year most of the time in South America...

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: and I think he's, he's living back, back in, in Louisville now.

SUCHANEK: Louisville. Ok, how about Ernie Whitus?

KEIGHTLEY: Ernie Whitus.

SUCHANEK: From Louisville.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah he's from Louisville, his father was a, was a Louisville 48:00Policeman. Ernie was about 6'7"-6'8", was a, a decent prospect but he was a little slow and Ernie he dropped out of school here before he graduated. He, he never did, he never did play much.

SUCHANEK: Ok. I think this was the first year too that Jack Givens was on the team.

KEIGHTLEY: He was a yeah, Goose was on that 75-76 team and, and James Lee.

SUCHANEK: Right. Tell me about Goose Givens.

KEIGHTLEY: Goose, well you know he was from Bryan Station and of course he was Mr. Basketball in this state and you know we used to call him Silky because 49:00you know he was so, with his movement was so smooth and just his, he just flowed down the floor and had a, a, a great left-handed shot (KEIGHTLEY gets distracted by someone-KEIGHTLEY-who was that going there-SUCHANEK-that was the assistant coach-KEIGHTLEY-oh ok, oh Dave Hobbs, ok-SUCHANEK-yeah) And he, you know he was ever, everyone's favorite (unintelligible) and, and had decent pro career and was an outstanding human being, at sometimes he got in the wrong place at the wrong time or whatever and...

SUCHANEK: Yeah he was in trouble not too long ago wasn't he down in Florida?

KEIGHTLEY: That, that, that's the only trouble he's ever had.

SUCHANEK: And I, I, I don't, I never heard the outcome of that.

KEIGHTLEY: Well it's, it was all filed away but you know that, that damages your reputation...

SUCHANEK: Sure

KEIGHTLEY: when it's all filed away.

SUCHANEK: And he was working for, was it the Magic?

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KEIGHTLEY: He was working for, yes, Magic, he was the color man and had been for four or five years but you know I talked with him he came back, we had that team back last year to honor 'em and, and Jack came to town but he, he wouldn't you know but he wouldn't be introduced and then a little...

SUCHANEK: Was that his decision?

KEIGHTLEY: Yes that's his decision, yes and you know he, he, he just didn't know how people would react so he, he chose not to be introduced but anyhow some 51:00time later and it wasn't all that long maybe a couple weeks he was still in Lexington and we introduced him at, at before the game, before the game, I think we were playing Iona College I think in Louisville and they introduced him at before the game at Louisville but anyhow he asked me, he said, he said, "Bill, will you go out there with me", I said, "Hey Goose, your fine, they don't want to see me, your fine." You know he, he feared that, that might not be received well.

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: But by gosh he got a standing ovation and I know that, that 52:00probably helped him as much as anything in his trying to rehab from this you know terrible thing that happened to him.

SUCHANEK: See that's another thing you have to add to your resume is a body guard. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yes, (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) yeah, yeah.

SUCHANEK: See he was afraid they'd throw things at him and if you're with him they wouldn't throw it.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) yeah, yeah.

SUCHANEK: Let's see, also on that team was, was James Lee. What can you tell me about James Lee?

KEIGHTLEY: Well James from Henry Clay High School, his father, his father was a, was a preacher A. B. Lee...

SUCHANEK: Oh yeah we have an interview with A. B. Lee, yeah.

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KEIGHTLEY: He, he's a heavy set black you know yeah, the Reverend A. B. Lee. Well I'll be darn, very nice gentleman.

SUCHANEK: Yeah he was involved in the civil rights movement here in the 60's.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah, that's right, yes.

SUCHANEK: 50's and 60's

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah that's right, yes. Well James Edward, of course I only know him double name James Edward, (KEIGHTLEY clears his voice) he's, looks just like his mama, don't look a thing like A. B. of course A. B. was light complected you know and, and his mama boy she's shines just like James Edward, they, they look just alike and you know he was a big old rough, rough kid that just I mean rough looking kid that was a teddy bear and James you know he went to Henry Clay and he was all everything, and if it hadn't been for Jack he'd have been player of the year in 54:00Kentucky. But anyhow we, we managed to recruit him get him here, now, now James Edward wasn't one of the hardest working guys we've ever had (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) he used to, he used to, he, he blew out more basketball shoes than any player that's ever been here and I always accused him of stopping too quick so he didn't have to take another step (SUCHANEK laughs) cause he'd a had to extended a little energy for another step. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) but he weighed about 230 and was about 6'6" to 6'7". He could have been anything he wanted to be, he could have been heavy weight champion of the world had he really wanted to be but he is a you know big old, he was, James Edward was a bit spoiled, 55:00now he was the baby boy of the, of the family so James Edward was a little bit spoiled. He was here for four years and he started in that freshman locker room, they kept a, even when they were playing varsity ball the freshmen still dressed separately...

SUCHANEK: Is that right?

KEIGHTLEY: from the varsity.

SUCHANEK: Is that right?

KEIGHTLEY: No particular reason other than the varsity room would have been overcrowded so...

SUCHANEK: And there was a little lesson in that wasn't there? (KEIGHTLEY laughs)

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, but anyhow James Edward had a locker right through that door where the, the gymnastic coach is now, had the first locker in there, well we had combination locks on 'em James Edward was here for four years and he never opened that locker one time because you know he was right across the hall, I could hear him now hollering, "Bill", and there wasn't any need to say anything just go in there and 56:00open the locker. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) It, it and then same thing would happen the next day, never ever did he ever work the combination.

SUCHANEK: He probably couldn't remember his it was too much work.

KEIGHTLEY: And Goose Givens used to try to mimic James Edward and holler for me (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) but he, he was, he could have been anything he wanted to be in and he wound up he was working for UPS in Louisville and he moved back here (KEIGHTLEY hollers to someone calling him J. Joker and starts laughing - SUCHANEK-want me to let him in - KEIGHTLEY - no they going to play golf, that's our offensive you know coordinator Joker- SUCHANEK - right, Joker 57:00Phillips -KEIGHTLEY-he's a nice guy) but James Edward moved back here in, he is now in some type of investment business.

SUCHANEK: Here in town?

KEIGHTLEY: Yes.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: Here in town.

SUCHANEK: Like you said you know you can always find work if you're, if you played basketball here at UK.

KEIGHTLEY: You can do it , we just you know we've hashed that out since you and I've talked about it even no longer maybe than yesterday we talked about that.

SUCHANEK: Right. Also on that team was, was Danny Hall.

KEIGHTLEY: Danny Hall from Betsy Lane, he was 6'11" (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) I think about Danny, he, he was another one we had all those big guys, we had Phillips and Robey...

SUCHANEK: Right.

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KEIGHTLEY: Freddie Cowans and, and, and Lavon Williams...

SUCHANEK: and Guyette

KEIGHTLEY: Guyette, and, and Danny could have been an outstanding player but he was a little lazy (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) and he did, he, he had some, he had two or three real real fine games for us. He was faster than any big man we had and he, he came up with an expression I'd never heard before in my life or nor since. We, we had him out one afternoon they finished practice, they do wind sprints you know, Danny he came in he sat right in that locker room with James Edward, he 59:00came in, he sit down on, on the bench in there and he was leaning over and he was holding his head, I said, "Danny Boy are you ok", and he said, "I'm gonna tell you my heads a throbbing like a young cat birds butt", (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) yeah you ever seen a naked cat bird it just goes in and out like that. I liked to fell to the floor because, and I've never heard that expression since then but it's exactly right I mean if your heads a throbbing they just have (unintelligible-KEIGHTLEY is laughing and talking) nasty looking. I hate to see a naked little old bird, I really do, oh but that's the way they let their butts go like that. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh)

SUCHANEK: Where's he at now?

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KEIGHTLEY: He is a, he's back up there in let's see, what the name of that little bit Betsy Lane is, might be Fairview, Fairview I believe. But he's back up there, he, he's been in poor health. He owned a, he owned a supermarket up there.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: He used to come in here bout every afternoon and he'd say, "Bill I want to borrow you a coke", I want to borrow yeah, I'd say, "Ok Danny", well I went, I went through that, that little village whatever it was where his grocery store was and he was sitting up overlooking the floor but he didn't see me come in so I went over and got 61:00a case of coca cola and I was gonna you know act like I was gonna carry it out the door and I hollered and he seen me, I said, "I, I'm gonna take these back that you borrowed", (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK laugh) but he worked for the state with this lottery board for a while.

SUCHANEK: Oh did he? And then of course there was Rick Robey.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir...

SUCHANEK: Who had a, who went on to a fine pro career.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir, Rick was an elder statesman from the time he arrived.

SUCHANEK: Is that right?

KEIGHTLEY: He always, yes sir, Rick always had an answer and Rick was a joy to work with he really was, he was, he was a caring person and you know quite well he, he, he has done extremely well in the real estate business. I mean he's probably a multi-millionaire. SUCHANEK: I'm sure.

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KEIGHTLEY: Yeah.

SUCHANEK: Is he out in California?

KEIGHTLEY: No he's in Louisville.

SUCHANEK: Oh he is? Ok, I didn't know that.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir he's in Louisville, got a...

SUCHANEK: I thought after having played with the Lakers he would have got into real estate out there.

KEIGHTLEY: No, he is a, he's building a, he, he built a Stan...

SUCHANEK: Stan Key?

KEIGHTLEY: Jurich

SUCHANEK: Oh ok.

KEIGHTLEY: Yes, Tom Jurich, Tom Jurich's home there in, in a real elite part of Louisville, and Rick lives in that area also, in fact he's building another home for Jurich now, a bigger and better one. (SUCHANEK laughs) Yes.

SUCHANEK: Jurich must have got a raise. (SUCHANEK laughs)

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KEIGHTLEY: Yes. Rick is got a son that's about, I guess he's about 15 now, he's about 6'6", great big old boy but he plays football apparently he doesn't, doesn't play basketball at all.

SUCHANEK: Well maybe he feels like he couldn't live up to...

KEIGHTLEY: That, that probably, you know what that has something to do with it. I admire Rick for not pushing him to do it too.

SUCHANEK: Sure. I think it's a bad career choice. (SUCHANEK laughs)

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, right.

SUCHANEK: When you look at the longevity of football players as opposed to basketball players but, one other guy I wanted to ask you about before we wrap up today is Leonard Hamilton who is an assistant coach. I think, is that the same Leonard Hamilton that went to Miami as head coach. KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir and now is at Florida State.

SUCHANEK: Right.

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yep.

SUCHANEK: How long was he here and what can you tell me about him?

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KEIGHTLEY: Let's see, Leonard came here about 1975 and he stayed through, he was here for ten years.

SUCHANEK: Ok.

KEIGHTLEY: He stayed through one year of Eddie Sutton.

SUCHANEK: Good coach?

KEIGHTLEY: Yes he's go... yeah and and he was, I will have to say he's the best recruiter that I've ever seen anywhere for anybody. His approach to recruiting was so much different to most, most coaches.

SUCHANEK: How so?

KEIGHTLEY: If he, he, if he'd you know find a prospect before he ever visited 65:00with that kid he got to know the life history around that kid with the people that kid associated with, he'd get to know the aunts the uncles the cousins, the, the, the school mates and when he went to visit with the kid he'd just knock him dead with all of the things that Leonard knew about him and all of the way he knew the members of his family and it, it's just unbelievable.

SUCHANEK: Did his homework didn't he.

KEIGHTLEY: And did his homework and was the best I'd ever seen, any little you know little brush fire that'd pop up in athletics you know Leonard could put them out just like that. He had, he, he, he, you couldn't ask him a question and then stump him cause he really could think on his feet in a hurry and did and still does, and you 66:00know he coached for the Washington Wizards you know for a year had a I don't know had a four or five year contract, he coached a year...

SUCHANEK: And got paid for, for the other ones.

KEIGHTLEY: and got paid for the whole thing.

SUCHANEK: Yeah KEIGHTLEY: And you know he didn't do anything for a couple of years. He used come by here oh four, five times a year and then he went back into coaching at Florida State.

SUCHANEK: Which is even worse than coaching at Florida (SUCHANEK laughs) as far as being second banana?

KEIGHTLEY: Oh yeah, yeah it's even worse yeah.

SUCHANEK: Yeah

KEIGHTLEY: Yeah he's a, his wife was such a lovely person. Little Leonard yeah he, I'm telling you that guy is a hoot, funniest guy, he, he could sing he could dance, of course you know that's kinda a natural thing he, he was a good singer.

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SUCHANEK: And he's building, he's building a, a program there at Florida State.

KEIGHTLEY: Oh he, he, he'll do it, he'll do it. I knew his entire family, he was from right there around the Grandfather Mountains and he, he had a, had a great family and he would, he would just, he would just floor you with something he'd come up with like, like Doctor I had Mr. Jekyll. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh) He got on the radio and made that proclamation one time, Mr. Hyde, Dr. Jekyll. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY laugh)

SUCHANEK: Ok, I think I've taken up enough of your time today and we'll go back at this next week, alright.

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KEIGHTLEY: Alright, let's see what next...tape ends

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