0:14 - Introduction / evading the law

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Segment Synopsis: In this second interview, Stinson describes some of the methods that he used to keep his still hidden from law enforcement. He also mentions other people who found his still and drank his moonshine.

Keywords: evasion; footprints; moonshine; moonshiners; revenuers; roads; signs; smoke; stills; tracking; woods

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement. Liquor laws.

3:40 - Ways of finding stills / Stinson's ability to avoid capture

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Segment Synopsis: Russell Stockton comments on methods that law enforcement used to track down moonshiners. He also talks about how difficult it was to capture Stinson or find his still because he was an experienced woodsman. [There are several times when the recording cuts out briefly]

Keywords: complaints; informants; leaves; moonshine; moss; mothers; mountains; paths; police; police officers; roads; rocks; squirrels; stills; tracks; water

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement.

10:53 - Stinson's first time getting caught by the law

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson and Stockton describe one of the times that Stinson was caught by the law. Stockton tells how he and several other agents camped out to try to catch him and how they were able to creep up on him.

Keywords: 1978; captures; corn; cousins; dogs; FBI; Federal Bureau of Investigations; hiding; moonshine; mountains; runs; stealth; stills; tobacco; tracking; whiskey; woodland tracking

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement.

17:41 - The use of a guard dog / getting caught for the first time

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson and Stockton continue to recount how Stinson was caught by law enforcement. Stinson stresses that he was caught because he didn't know the guard dog that he was with.

Keywords: arrests; birds; crows; dogs; exits; guns; moonshine; police officers; squirrels; stills; tracking; whiskey; woods

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement.

22:48 - Getting caught for the second time / police officers and informants

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson describes the second time that he was caught due to someone informing on him. Stockton talks about informants' importance to the police and gives his reasons for never sharing an informant's identity.

Keywords: being tipped off; buying whiskey; drinking; hiding; informants; information; moonshine; motivations; police officers; secrecy; stills; Tennessee

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Informers. Law enforcement. Whiskey.

27:43 - Finding out an informant / refusing to sell to informants

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson gives his feelings on people who have informed on him, stating that he has never caused harm to anyone by making moonshine. He discusses several encounters with people that he thought had informed on him and gives his reasons for suspecting them.

Keywords: being caught; carelessness; cars; informants; moonshine; Tennessee; trouble; warrants; whiskey

Subjects: Clinton County (Ky.). Informers. Law enforcement.

33:00 - Moral qualms about using informants

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson continues to give his views on informants. Stockton talks about some of the situations in which he hasn't felt comfortable using the information provided by informants.

Keywords: buying; grudges; hearsay; impartiality; informants; lawbreaking; partiality; police officers; qualms; revenge; rumors; selling whiskey

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Informers. Law enforcement.

36:57 - Being informed on by family members

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson states that many of the people who have informed on him have been his relations. He talks about the kind things that he has done for them and describes some of the reasons that he thinks made them do so.

Keywords: family members; four wheel drive; generosity; informants; information; jealousy; money; relations; roads; smuggling whiskey; traffic

Subjects: Informers. Law enforcement. Whiskey.

40:38 - Moonshiners stealing from and sabotaging others' stills

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson mentions that he had heard of other moonshiners having their stills stolen from or sabotaged, though he did not experience it himself. [There is a short break in the tape]

Keywords: alcohol; sabotage; salt; stills; theft

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Whiskey.

42:28 - Stockton's views on stealing from moonshiners

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton gives his thoughts on people who steal from moonshiners.

Keywords: "honor among thieves"; criminals; stills; theft

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Theft. Whiskey.

44:47 - A story about being stolen from

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson gives his views on theft and tells a story about having a large amount of whiskey stolen from him. He talks about how he tracked down the person who did it and his confronting him.

Keywords: dogs; dogwoods; hippies (??)nephews; lying; money; moonshine; moonshiners; rocks; seasons; sheriff's office; signs; South Carolina; stealing; storms; sugar; summer; thieves; threats; twigs; winter; woods

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Theft. Whiskey.

54:34 - Honesty and crime / fair treatment under the law

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson gives his thoughts on the importance of honesty and making an honest living, as opposed to theft. Stockton talks about some of the different circumstances that might come up within law enforcement and the importance of fairness and impartiality.

Keywords: arrests; circumstances; court; crime; drunkenness; equality; fairness; ginseng; honesty; impartiality; juries; jurors; police officers; proof

Subjects: Law enforcement. Theft. Whiskey.

60:02 - Marijuana growth in the mountains

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about when he has come across patches of marijuana while he was out hunting in the mountains. He states why he has always left it alone when he found it and discusses why getting involved with it could be dangerous.

Keywords: drugs; ginseng; growing marijuana; hunting; hunting licenses; marijuana; murder; police officers; safety; sports; squirrel hunting; tobacco

Subjects: Marijuana--Growth. Theft. Whiskey.

63:14 - Moonshiners and marijuana

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson and Stockton talk about the rise of growing marijuana in the mountains and why it has caused moonshine-making to decrease. They contrast moonshiners with modern marijuana growers.

Keywords: "dope fiends"; "dope"; cocaine; drugs; hunting; marijuana plants; moonshine; moonshiners; plants

Subjects: Law enforcement. Marijuana--Growth. Theft.

67:22 - Nearly catching some moonshiners

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton tells a story about how he and other revenuers nearly caught three moonshiners. Stinson and Stockton try to figure out who the moonshiners might have been.

Keywords: "Carved in the Rock House Holler"; cigarettes; clefts; cliffs; escapes; lookouts; moonshine; police officers; pots; revenuers; rope; Slavey (??) family; stills; suspects; wood

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement.

73:03 - Jess Slavey (??)

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about Jess Slavey (??), a fellow moonshiner who was rarely caught by the revenuers. He tells a story about Slavey and how he was eventually caught.

Keywords: "slippery rock"; age; church; churchgoers; cleft house; hollers; hollows; Jess Slavey (??); Kentucky; Kentucky Route 200; moonshiners; old age; roads; springs; stills; Tennessee; tracking

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Law enforcement.

77:17 - Jess Slavey's (??) ability to escape

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton comments on his tracking of Jess Slavey (??), even though he was never able to catch him. Stinson tells a story about Slavey's (??) nearly being caught and how he escaped.

Keywords: escaping; Jess Slavey (??); Johnny; mud; rain; shadowing; stills; tracking; woods

Subjects: Distilleries. Law enforcement.

79:56 - Capturing a large still

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton talks about the largest moonshine still that he ever came across in the area and how he and other police officers captured it. [there is a short break in the tape]

Keywords: barrels; clefts; cliffs; cooking; cranks; eggs; fires; January; maps; police officers; posts; potatoes; ropes; smoke; stills; wells; windlasses

Subjects: Distilleries. Law enforcement.

87:26 - Capturing a larger still that wasn't in operation / being caught by the law

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton describes an even larger still that he came across, but there was no one there at the time and it had mostly been cleared out. Stinson discusses someone he knew who was caught by law enforcement and shares how they caught him.

Keywords: copper; moonshine; oil tanks; stills; Tennessee; welding

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit. Whiskey.

91:02 - The court system and judges

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson and Stockton talk about the courts and the judges in the days when making moonshine was at its height. They both characterize the sentences given then as being fair.

Keywords: attorneys; bootleggers; court; court actions; court appearances; court system; defendants; fairness; Hiram Church Ford; honesty; Judge Ford; judges; leniency; money; moonshine; moonshiners

Subjects: Law enforcement. Liquor laws. Whiskey.

96:02 - Advice on law enforcement from a lawyer

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Segment Synopsis: Stockton recounts some advice that a friend of his gave him regarding his behavior towards the people that he arrested. He also talks about his inexperience and lack of training as a police officer at the beginning of his career.

Keywords: advice; anger; arrests; badges; guns; inexperience; law; lawyers; police officers; Randall Bertram

Subjects: Law enforcement.

99:01 - Stinson's views on law enforcement / teenage drinking / watered down whiskey

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about what he thinks of law enforcement officials and why he doesn't hold a grudge against them. He talks about teenage drinking and recounts finding out that someone had been watering down his whiskey to try to resell it for more of a profit. [there is some background noise that sounds like cars going by]

Keywords: alcohol; arrests; cocaine; drugs; family; fines; guilt; honesty; laws; marijuana; Monticello (Ky.); prison; proof; relationships; stills; teenagers; underage drinking; water; watering down

Subjects: Distilleries. Law enforcement. Monticello (Ky.). Whiskey.

105:22 - Tempering whiskey

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about the process of tempering whiskey. He mentions that one can get drunk from the fumes if around them for long enough.

Keywords: alcohol; backings (whiskey making); bead; beading; drunkenness; fumes; grain; high proof alcohol; jars; mixing alcohol; proof; stills; taste; tempering; water

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Whiskey.

111:01 - Stinson's nephew / backings

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about his nephew, who had an extremely high tolerance for alcohol. He and Stockton also discuss backings, which are the low grade remnants of a batch of whiskey used to help start the next batch. [the recording is obscured in places by the sound of a car going by]

Keywords: alcohol; alcohol tolerance; backings (whiskey making); beer; drinking; drunkenness; low grade alcohol; moonshine; nephews; wood

Subjects: Distilling, illicit. Whiskey.

115:09 - Mr. Lester and making copper stills

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Segment Synopsis: Stinson talks about Mr. Lester, a local coppersmith who made stills for the moonshiners. He discusses the process of making a still. The interview is concluded.

Keywords: copper; copper sheets; coppersmiths; houses; making stills; measurements; Mr. Lester; stills; Tennessee; tools

Subjects: Distilleries. Distilling, illicit.

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